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musa and fonseca including godfrey smith have no integrity or respect for belize. they have destroyed the lives of many poor belizean people, even the belizeans that have not been borned. they are a disgrace to the belizean society!

power to the people! the people in struggle.

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Why all the fuss 'bout the assets? The new party leader just acquired the brand new SMART building, which is even larger than Queen Street; he owns a cable network company and CTV 3 and can easily broadcast positive vibes elsewhere or create his own "New Vibes". He can afford to buy a state of the art printing press and print The Belize Times elsewhere. Why all the fuss? Either that or the PUP will be using Kremandala's printing press and radio station very soon, if Johnny B doesn't start spending his own money; and Partridge Street will be new party headquarters. Watch out Johnny.

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michievous is a fan of johnny! michievous you need to know that johnny contributed to this country's destruction.

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I'm very reluctant to get involved in the old skettel/new skettel squabble, but I can't resist commenting on the fact that I find it particularly intriguing that Godfrey now seems to be playing the role of "detached skettel" offering commentary from the outside. Perhaps Godfrey could clarify for us, in his next article, what exactly is his current status in sketteldom, which is to say, in the PUP. Inquiring minds would certainly like to know!

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intolerant is an ass...he needs to take a vacation! He has the most malicious personality I have ever read! Go to church/mass/service for a while please intolerant. or get conselling!

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Very intriguing read, Mr. Smith. Kudos. Like your other regular readers, I appreciate the insights you share, although I share the sentiment of some who have posted before me that you too, are a duck simply knocking the water off your back. In response to a post of mine some time back, you indicated that for all intents and purposes, you'd retired from politics, but I suppose I'm too cynical to believe that. And again, to make it more clear, you were certainly a part of the G-7 and you too were a Minister of Cabinet all those years.

You play the role of aloof bystander but you had your own ghosts follow you during your tenure. It would certainly be interesting to get the Godfrey Smith perspective on G-7, particularly since one theory is that you were merely a mole who, post G-7, actually benefited, unlike Misters Espat and Briceño, who got their comeuppances at later dates in the 2003-08 Musa term.

I shall play the part of the honest man and say that we look forward to your forthcoming insights, in the same way that the Amandala Editorial and From the Publisher sections are also 'must-reads.' Keep the insights flowing, and every once in a while, don't be afraid to give us a true picture of what transpired from '98 to '08.

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Well its about time the great minds start coming together and calling a spade a spade. Where is the (WITH MALICE TOWARD NONE) with the old guard disrupting the accention of the once great party that he led and brought down. Mr Smith ... Musa and his once monarky still doesnt get it. They realy belive that people like them, he is lucky to be walking free from the people.

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Hi again
Nice overview Mr Smith.
Seem that if Hon John B want to be ahead, he must take on a true leadership role, or role out.
Hon Musa is still living in denial. He was liad then and now.
A survey needs to be taken to verify that his Musa popular days are over. It could have been seen on his recent court days. Numbers were few. The obvious facts shows.
Musa should go to church. He has served and is served.
Take it from the People, get out Musa. U will help the PUP that way.

John B is no Saint, but seems tryng to take the Mantle.
A True leader must lead. Time passes.

Bye

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What is so difficult to understand about the sale of assets? If Musa/Fonseca own the assets, and Briceno and cronies want to use/occupy them, don't you think they should pay for it? At the very least, shouldn't the PUP (new guard) compensate the owners with rent or lease agreements? Perhaps this makes too much sense for Johnny and his cohorts to understand.

Regarding Godfrey's observation of the "timing" of all of this . . . if Johnny and his flunkies cannot fight a political battle on numerous fronts at once, he surely is no leader.

Nonetheless, Godfrey is right about one thing: Musa is not malicious.

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Shameful, "straight talk". Downright immature

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Jonny should never then nor now trust Said nor Mark, more days to come he will continue to see why, nice write Godfrey but what the future holds for you politically Sir? no person an ANGEL worst in POLITICS i don't think you should give it up.Your talent would help these JACK ASSES on both sides

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The blogs are usually analytical and engaging but most of the ones so far on this article are sophomoric and petty. Will someone bring it on!

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Top ten reasons why Said and Ralph should hand over the party assets:

1. They shouldn't have owned it in the first place?

2. After leaving the party in shambles it's the least they could do.

3. They don't need the money. Ralph, for example, inherited millions from his son.

4. Ralph doesn't need the office space, he already has enough in Montevideo, Panama and Canada.

5. Said doesn't need any other households to look after. He should leave the home of the PUP's to those who care about it enough.

6. Trying to take the headquarters and assets of a party built with the Blood, Sweat and Tears of many good men and women makes them look like sissies.

7. Their mommas would be ashamed of them.

8. George Price is privately ashamed of them.

9. Nobody reads the Belize Times or listens to positive vibes... why would they want a puss in a beg?

10. The Belizean people would prefer that the both of them retire to a life of seclusion. Their names are like the bubonic plague. I for one, don't fly Maya because Ralph is associated with it.

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The assess are really now comming out of the woodwork! If you are not interested in the politics to things, keep off the page! What the hell is anyone's sexuality doing out here? Are youy guys in doubt of your sexuality? Keep off the page until you figure it out! But then again, your intention was to be rude/crude and insulting right? I found you nasty and disgusting!

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Mr Briceno did not create a post to accomodate Said in the PUP executive nor is he fending off Mark Espat . He was simply instructed by the limey (ashcroft) to comply and Godfrey having been his travelling "companion" is fully aware of it. The "incestuous " relationship with the PUP leadership (not the party rank and file) is the single most important factor that led to the demise of the PUP. The Englishman owns the leadership of the party (Past leader Said with all accomodation agreements-, Present leader -Smart) and so long as the present PUP continues to facilitate neo-colonialism in defiance of the aspirations of the people of Belize to achieve a better quality of life, Mr Briceno will continue to be just Leader of the oppostion and /or past leader and Said just what he is. They have reversed and betrayed the principles under which the PUP under Mr Price became the most popular political movement in Belize.

Amandala and their "Johnny Complex"

Dear Readers I know this post is not directly related to the Article but I think there is something that needs to be said about the Zinc Fense. The constantly criticize Godfrey Smith so I would like to use his medium to express how I feel about them. tried to get this published but no luck. Thanks Godfrey

Dear Editor/Publisher Amandala Newspaper


I hope that this letter I have written is worthy of small space in your esteemed newspaper. First, let me say that I am an admirer of the publisher’s writing skills and recently purchased his last publication entitled “ “ and I am enjoying every minute of it. This is the first of a series of letters that I will write because I have a lot to say.

I read Amandala on a weekly basis and look forward to the Publisher’s bi weekly history lessons they are truly enlightening. Nevertheless, over the last few months I have seen Amandala stray from what I have grown to love about it “Objectivity”. I know that in Belize Politics is a “dirty game” and you need to know how play the “dirty game” so I understand why your editor writes what he writes and why he writes it.

I am perturbed about the editorial posted on your website 27/08/2009 titled “ The sloop John B.” Your editor makes certain accusations and assumptions in the article concerning the Leader of the Opposition without addressing a more serious issue, which is the nepotism that is clearly being demonstrated by the Prime Minister by appointing his ex-wife and his son to the Board of Directors at BTL. I think that you should note that the Leader of the Opposition and his brother are shrewd businessmen who have accumulated their finances through hard work and have given back to the people of Orange Walk more than any of you will really ever know “ wi di talk serious money di help both PUP and UDP supporters but dat is a Orange Walk thing di zinc fence no know bout that”. The Speednet/Smart investment is Jaime Briceno’s and the Leader of the Opposition is not involved as stated by the PM himself.

Your newspaper constantly tries to paint a picture of the Leader of the Opposition as someone who is weak and is being controlled and yet you try to make it seem that the two deputy party leaders are righteous men that “always” put the interest of Belizeans first. It is clear that if either one of them can become leader and eventually Prime Minister Amandala will benefit and I bet the talk of revolution will be over. It is important that I remind you we all have skeletons in the closet and they all come out.

Empower di People


Yours Truly
Black Mamba

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Hyde cannot be objective when it comes to poilitics. How can he? His son and son in law have axes to grind and helps them grind it. As for enjoying his weekly rantings, I for one do not! I am tired of hearing about UBAD and 1969. Get over it man, that was 40 years ago. He is stuck in a time warp! I am also tired of listening to him preach on on on as if Kremandala is the centre of the universe or that he is some kind of political genius. If you listen to Hyde, everything stopped in 1969 and kremandala has successfully influenced all the elections in this country. Please. The people he claims he preaches to don't even buy his paper! It is the middle class that follows his weekly garb! Straight like that!

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Me and you might be opposites, Said Barrow, but you do have a point there. Hyde behaves like it is still 1969 and as if UBAD still exists. Godfrey is the opposite; he behaves as if 1998-2003 never happened or as if he was never a part of it. He and Hyde are real opposites indeed.

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“He (Musa) already carries the heavy burden for turning Mr. Price’s monolithic and unmatched political machine into a scrap of twisted and barely functioning parts, during his tenure.”

- from Godfrey Smith’s FLASHPOINT website under the heading “From Musa with …. Malice?”


Late last week Godfrey Smith, the attorney and former PUP Pickstock area representative, released an essay on his website which was scathing in its criticism of former PUP Leader Said Musa’s new book. Among other things, Mr. Smith writes, “To say that at the end of the 1993-1998 UDP term ‘the people felt cheated and there was growing cynicism in the land’ without admitting that at the end of the 1998-2008 term the people felt violated and there was galactic cynicism in the land contradicts any claim of objectivity.”

Read more at http://www.amandala.com.bz/index.php?id=9191

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Ok, I stand corrected. So forget the first part. Still, Godfrey behaves is as if he was never a part of all the MADA RASS that occurred between 1998 and 2008. Thank you, ffbackoff, whoever you are.

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You said it friend! Lots more can be said and The zinc fence knows it! We don't even have to read Amandala except for then ads. We've heard it all before... too many times.... where do I find journalism in Belize? objectivity... Hell Amandala does not even pretend to be objective..its all about where the next bubby is comming from for them to suck... when that starts to bleed, they'll find another, then another, then another.... Ask Said, Ashcroft et al... No shame! (BEWARE! They'll come in your homes, laugh with you, borrow your money, call you a friend, BUT.. THEY BITE!)

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Wrong, Godfrey. Said Musa is every bit as malicious a politician as there has been. I am not making a judgment call here: I know that for a fact. And ... Belizeans do hold malice towards him.

It is interesting that he chose as the title of his memoirs 'With Malice Towards None': It's almost as if he needs to convince himself of that; almost as if he needs to assure us that what we saw - the fleecing of our national assets, the cronyism, the land grabbing, the systematic subjugation of our people by debt and programmed destitution - was really not what he meant for us, even if he did it time after time after time.

Why would a man, after claiming to have done so much for so many, feel himself to be so cornered that he should resort to explaining that he felt malice towards none. It has to be that he understood that what happened on February 7, 2008 was indeed a wave of pitiless merciless and unrepentant malice towards him !!!

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I certainly agree a lot with what has been said and understand that there is a lot of history involved with the party. Said Musa should be ashamed of what he allowed to happen during his tenure as Prime Minister and to now come and speak about doing things in good faith and without malice, please I beg to differ. He professed his love for Fonseca and to hell wth Belize. Said wake up, open your eyes, the first step to recovery is to accept that you have a problem and you certainly continue to believe that you are God's gift to this earth.

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Top ten reasons why Evan Hyde should retire:

1. It's not 1969.

2. His self proclaimed political "savvy" could be better uilized in Mark & Cordel's campaigns. (I hope he can muster more votes for them than he did for himself)

3. His newspaper has turned into a weekly Ashcroft attack rag.

4. So that he could build a chain link fence. (zinc is unsightly)

5. So that the Kremandala Show would come off the air. (Bill Lindo should not be allowed to comment on anything in any medium. Evan is guilty of not only publishing his "writings" but putting him on TV; even if it is only to poke fun at him, please spare us!)

6. So that Clinton Uh Luna would stop writing his weekly nonsense.

7. So that he could learn to walk his age n not "bounce" like a gangsta.

8. So that he could take up the African and Mayan studies issue full time and not just pay it lip service.

9. So that Russel Vellos could write his own editorial.

10. To spare all of us from his genius!

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Just for fun, I did a search on Amandala's website for articles containing "1969" and found 173! LOL....

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Said Barrow, you crack me up! Like what Jenny would say, "Ah love it, ah love it, ah love it!!!!

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understanding is far beyond one academic college degree.... A true understanding lies in the heart that is able to weigh correctly.....where are they...? who do you call traitor? the one that sold his friends or the one that reject their attitude but still support them?????
Musa is genuine one, only that his loyalty made him to pay the price.....Let us watch and see, we shall determine who is really who?

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understanding is far beyond one academic college degree.... A true understanding lies in the heart that is able to weigh correctly.....where are they...? who do you call traitor? the one that sold his friends or the one that reject their attitude but still support them?????
Musa is genuine one, only that his loyalty made him to pay the price.....Let us watch and see, we shall determine who is really who?

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You've got a point there, Real Observer. Godfrey has proven to be the worst hypocrite and traitor of all. He betrayed George Price in the Pickstock Convention, He betrayed his G7 friends, now he is betraying Musa, the same man he once hoarded praises upon in a book. And, of course, he betrayed the people of Pickstock themselves and the Belizean people on a whole by getting in bed with Ashcroft, who has proven to be the worst enemy of the Belizean people. Others like Hyde might be genuinely misguided, but Godfrey is the real hypocrite and traitor.

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can't we all just get along?

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What happen to you, Godfrey?. No new article this week? Too busy representing Ashroft to spare a little time to write?

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Sorry again, real observer. Musa is not genuine. He may be loyal to his friends and all that. But, bear in mind that some of the greatest criminal masterminds in history were loyal to their friends and family, but to no one else.

I can't have you or any one else get away with these casual little under-the-radar types of statements. Musa lied repeatedly to the Belizean public. He sold off BTL to Prosser for a promissory note and lied about it. He literally gave away GOB's interests in UHS now Belize HealthCare Partners and lied about it. He diverted monies from Venezuela to cover his tracks and lied about it. He signed a Secret Accommodation Agreement with Ashcroft and lied about it. He lied about too many things, too many times.

I cannot see how you could associate the word genuine with his name except to say that he is a "genuine liar".

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I agree with you Equalizer. You know sometimes I wonder why many intelligent people in this forum spend so much time at each other's throats simply because we are blindly following a political party, not even a political idealogy (neither party has one) but rather we follow something as foolish as a colour. Both political parties are the same, the players behave the same, they only have their self interest at heart. Here are a few examples:

Said Musa: I don't need to get into all that he did but to compare I will name a few; he hired his son at NICH, his daughter in a diplomatic posting and facilitated his friends and company with many other things.

Dean Barrow: gives his ex wife lucrative GOB contracts, hired his daughter at legal aid, put his son on the Board of BTL, appointed his brother to the Court of Appeal.

Godfrey Smith: Lucrative renovation of Ministry in Belmopan to associates, companies registry privatized under his and Eamon Courtenay's watch. The leader of the Opposition, as he then was, cannot say to anybody with intelligence that he did not know of this privatization.

Wilfred Elrington: Hired his wife as his personal assistant, hired his daughter to a diplomatic posting (soounds familiar?), put his loony brother to settle the Guatemalan Claim(Geeeez, that one always gets me)

Mark Espat: BTB - Albert Christmas Ham debacle

Michael Finnegan: displays the IQ of a Nanny goat, boasting about the wealth of his nephew and the rental of a floor at Radisson. Attacking his colleague on national media, but worst of all recently caught using Ministry of Housing resources on private works at his home. Not to mention the fact that he is on his 4th CEO.

Cordel Hyde: Ministry of Education scholarship scandal

Pablo Marin: hired friends and associates with zero public health experience in the Ministry of Health

I could go on and on but I think you bright ones should get the point by now!

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Said Barrow, why are you so upset that the fuss lady is getting lucrative GOB contracts. She is being rewarded for her great concern for Barrow and for being the de facto AG. No one can deny her hard work.

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Me upset? LOL, it's the other UDP's who haven't gotten their turn at the trough who should be upset. I could't care less what kinda "work" di fuss lady (as you put it) does for Dean. But, I can think of another lady who should be very upset.

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Who? The first lady wanna be? Nah, she made American Way's magazine cover, remember? And she was named one of Belize's most beautiful women by the former British Commissioner...

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Yeah, I saw the cover, n she was hiding her corn in the sand! But enough about Kim, she is no harm to anyone, she minds her own business eating at Tavern with the girls and trying to put a smile on her face for the cameras. Let her be! It must be hard competing with the Blonde Bombshell!

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Old fire stick noh haard fuh ketch. Poor thing. My bet is that she will be "bested" by the fuss lady.

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n dat da wa Ooooold fyah stick from the bottom a di fyah haat! Fuss lady mussi bex dat di First son reach. I hear he wa be Chairman ah BEL!

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Said Barrow, you neva know that stewing hen nicer than young pullet. Noh underestimate fuss lady. On BEL,she noh bex but first son getting chairmanship of BEL, because BEL noh gaat no money. If First son want to get on KTV (Karoake TV) pan Channel 5 fu jump staart fi him career, he weh haf fu go through the Prince. Check it out.

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Me neva see a stewing hen nicer than a juicy fat Mennonite chicken pan steriods yet! BEL got lotta money, nuh mek deh sell yu fi deh sad story pan news every night. If money neva di mek deh wudnt deh ya! Di prince da all glitter n no substance. Moses wa "outshyne" he soon!

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Please stop commenting negative shits about me on my blog. I will stop writing for this same reason.

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Ok then. Leave the site up so we can blog, especially since you will no longer entertain us with your writing.

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The article was insightful but the whole "bombshell" letter situation seems like a non-issue to me. At this point we know that the party acknowledged the debt and payment arrangements have been worked out, so Musa was owed the money. If payments weren't being made what was Musa supposed to do? I don't see the malice.

Instead of asking who Godfrey or his driver are sleeping with, we should be asking who leaked Musa's letter to the media. That's the real "bombshell" since whoever it was played everyone like a pro.

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i read Godfrey's critique of Mr. Musa book.I then read to blogs above: A lot of venom and poison.Where is intelligence and constructive discourse?
/when will we stop rewarding mediocrity? given the state of journalismY and just about everything else in Belize, you writings are one of the few marks of hope for intelligent thinkin in Belize Mr. Smith.
Is Belize a nation or is it simply becoming the next failed state in our region?
Pathetic!